it's tax on capital gains. there are lots of people who believe it should be taxed as ordinary income. would you support moving the carried interest so it's taxed as ordinary income? as interest rule. >> it came about always sweat equity. if a restaurant your said i want to open a restaurant. want you to invest $50,000. you take 80% of the profits and i'm take 20%. that's what carried interest is. it's what the venture capital firms do and that's how people are compensated. do. it gets people to look at it, the tax code should be looked at from farm subsidies to carried interest and corporate loopholes because we need to raise more revenue. >> what do you think of this man as a leader? he hired you, i assume. >> he gave me my first job back at bain and company before bain capital was started. he's an incredible family man. he's got a good sense of humor. it sometimes gets him in trouble but he's got a great sense of humor, and he has a great sense of humor. i'm heartened by the fact that we have two fantastic c